hpexposed here: saw this on my dashboard and reblogged it originally. But then i realized that i didn’t want just anyone to read what i wrote and misinterpret it + i didn’t want the writer to get the pleasure of having any notes from me lolol.
On this day 236 years ago,…
Too late for that. I already go your notes, and I replied to it! But my response wouldn’t go through because you deleted what I originally said. Lucky for me, I open everything in a new tab so your reply is still here staring me in the face, and will be until I refresh the page! Double lucky for me, I can just copy and paste what I originally said, and drop it down here. So the pleasure is all mine. (But not really, because for real, I don’t appreciate having words put in my mouth, nor do I appreciate having my words twisted around to fit your idea of what you think I said.) So let’s go over what you said to me.
But first, let me say this: the fact that you took a bunch of factual statements and still managed to spin it as if there’s something wrong with me is just so non surprising at this point. It’s cute how you point out that you’re not white, as if that matters. Because we aren’t all indoctrinated within the same principles of white supremacist society. But ok, you’re not white. Still, I see you upholding those pillars quite nicely! Let’s address your points though:
It is so freakin ironic that you are guilty of the very crap that you accuse “white people” of doing. So freakin ironic that it’s kinda funny to me. Are you not creating a huge blanket generalization that only white people celebrate 4th of July? Are you not falling into the huge stereotype that all white people are racist supremacist pricks?
That didn’t even make any sense. I’m guilty of what I accuse white people of doing, which is genocide? But then you imply that I’m creating huge generalizations, even though I, you know, didn’t. I’m sorry. And where did I say that PoC don’t celebrate the 4th of July? And please feel free to point out which point I made that isn’t true. I’ll wait. Please point out where I stereotyped anybody. I’ll wait. No really. I have all day.
Here’s the message you send with this post: “Hate discrimination? Hate injustice? Then just practice it. Oh and don’t worry, it’s perfectly fine because you were hurt first so everything you do, no matter how wrong, is justified”.
Because pointing out facts is me telling people to discriminate and be unjust towards white people? I’m sorry, would you rather I just stay silent on real issues that affect me and every other person of color in America and globally? Because sorry. That’s not happening. There has been enough silence, don’t you think? (No. No you probably don’t.)
If we were living in Mesopotamia a few millenia ago, I would support you “eye for an eye” bullshit, but guess what (here it comes)
If you got any kind of “eye for an eye” message out of my post, then you need to reread it again, because clearly you went wrong somewhere along the line. Try reading without superimposing your own assumptions of what I’m saying? Because again, nowhere did I say that any of that shit was okay and that we need to do it to white people. But if you can point out where I did that, then I will issue a full apology.
We live in America.
Is that supposed to mean something to me? To me, a woman of color who runs the risk of getting murdered by the very ~pillars of government~ that are supposed to protect me when I call for help? Me, the one who is labelled as a suspect for my skin color? Me, who police feel are worthy of death, who if they must shoot, “Shoot to kill because niggers are animals anyway”? REALLY? BUT THIS IS AMERICA. I forgot that I’m supposed to love this country without questioning anything, despite the fact that while I am an American, America will never fucking see me as such! MY BAD. THANKS FOR THE REMINDER, GURL :D
Because I’m a fucking American- the most loyal and patriotic bitch on the planet. I have the audacity to criticize everything that is wrong in my country, and the Constitution that protects my right to do so. I know the shit my country has done, but I know that there are BILLIONS are people on this planet that would sell their souls to switch places with me. Because as suckish as you believe America to be, I can point you to a hundred other places on this planet that are far worse. And all those wonderful places in Europe? I can point you to times in history that would make you vomit.
Good for you for having so much love for America. Seriously, if you feel patriotic then that’s great, and there is nothing wrong with that. But when it comes to me and my own history with this country? I don’t have as much love as you do. I’m not saying I don’t love America. This is where I was born and raised, and it is a beautiful place with nice people, blah blah blah. That doesn’t mean I can’t point out its issues. That doesn’t mean I won’t. Great for the people who choose to come here. I don’t know why you’re making this into a “Well other people have it worse so stop complaining” type deal, and I don’t really want to know, quite frankly.
As for those places in Europe with those times in history that would make one vomit? YEAH. I AM AWARE. THANK YOU :D But right now, we are not talking about Europe. We’re talking about America. So let’s keep the focus, yes? (And let’s not forget that a lot of disasters in Europe, and in other countries, can be linked back to white supremacist ideals that were mainly perpetrated by whom? OH RIGHT. AMERICANS!)
South Asia: India
Duly noted. I acknowledge that mistake on my part. Thank you for pointing it out, filled with sarcasm though it was.
All these people came here- they left their homes and came here because they knew their children would be better off here. Imagine that. In a place where women get paid 80 cents out of the dollar, they knew their daughters would be better off rather than living in a country where they abandon baby girls on the street. LATINOS cross the border illegally, well aware of the risks, and come anyways because living in a nation where they have to perform the lowest forms of labors while living under the radar provides more opportunity and better pay than back home. Can you imagine that? Can you fit that into your head? Even though they know they lives will be difficult here, they come anyways.
Thank you for the inspirational speech. While I recognize problems in every country, it’s a bit problematic that you’re painting countries with the ~third world esqeu~ kind of brush. Especially when most of the problems in those countries were caused by whom? I think yo’ure smart enough to be catching on by now: America! Also, let’s talk about Latin@s for a minute. Yes, let’s talk about how they are coming illegally into land that was stolen from them in the first place, huh? Who is it that came here illegally? Can I fit it into my head? YES. Considering part of my family are immigrants themselves yes I can fit it into my head!
Yes. America is not free of discrimination, but it is known as a place where you can achieve your dreams if you try hard enough.
LOL. That’s cute. No seriously, it’s adorable that you think that way, considering we have cases that should be in the news right now of people of color trying to make it into high places and their white peers actively racially discriminating against them, and their higher ups doing absolutely nothing about it. That’s real cute, considering that while you might be able to make it as a PoC you will have to work twice as hard as a white person for half the payoff. That’s real cute, considering the school systems that PoC are generally in, that are underfunded to the point where even after graduating, they’re not qualified for something like college. That’s real cute considering the cradle to prison pipeline.
You could be rich, poor, black, blue, ANYTHING- you could start from the gutters of NY and end up in working in a skyscraper. That is what America truly is. Yes, we are other things as well, but we have a right to be proud of all the good in our nation.
Let’s not start with the imaginary colors thing, please? There are very real people who are facing very real discrimination and you don’t need to bring in non existent beings for comparison. We have a right to be proud of the good in our nation, yes. But we also have a right to criticize the bad in it. And there’s a lot of bad. And considering you’re so in love with America because we can freely criticize, why are you fighting so hard with me for doing just that?
You forget that people can hold pride in America for what America has offered to them personally, as opposed to an entire race of peoples.
And you forget that what America offers me personally strains directly from what America offers my race(s) of people, and that what affects my people as a race, affects me personally.
slavery was not founded in America. It dates back to the beginning of time- all humans, no matter where they come from, share the guilt when it comes to slavery. Every single race, religion, sex, creed, all of us are guilty of this heinous crime. Were we being hypocrites? Damn straight we were, but we also fought a whole war inside our own nation because of it. We were stupid, but we knew it and we tried to correct it. It doesn’t make it better or justify it, but to say that we didn’t feel any grief over it is the wrong assumption. And while slavery is illegal in America, it still exists in the form of human trafficking. It does exist in America secretly, but not to the proportion that is exists abroad. If you’re going to be outraged, how bout you go do something about that? You’re not, but guess who is… starts with A, ends with merica.
I don’t give a fuck where it was founded. I’m talking about the affect it had on Black Africans who were shuttled off to this land, forced to build this nation from the ground up after they trampled over the nation that had already been built by us before white people even got here. Slavery in other nations doesn’t magically absolve the slavery that went down here. It doesn’t erase the fact that the slavery in America still has an affect on Black Americans, today, here, now, in 2012. It doesn’t change the fact that for many of us, it directly contributes to our economic status, our locations, our everything. Yeah, that’s right. Slavery that happened oh so long ago? STILL AFFECTS US. The Jim Crow Laws that we had? Yeah. THEY. STILL. EXIST. TODAY. HERE. NOW. IN 20. GOD DAMN. 12. In. AMERICA. :D
I really like this part: We were stupid, but we knew it and we tried to correct it. It doesn’t make it better or justify it, but to say that we didn’t feel any grief over it is the wrong assumption. Oh my god, they didn’t know any better, they knew they were wrong, that’s why they fought wars! LOL RIGHT. That’s why after the war was over, we were still only viewed as, what was it? two thirds of a human being, each? That’s why we were still dehumanized after the fact? Because they ~knew they were stupid.~ News flash: white folk with slaves didn’t believe shit was wrong with it. News flash: A lot of slavery abolitionists were racist, too. News flash: Even in the north, white people were racist. ANOTHER news flash: Just because they thought slavery was wrong doesn’t mean they thought it was wrong to dehumanize us, give us lesser rights, and oh! Not compensate us for the enslavement, the poverty, the rape, the murder, and the destroyed families after setting us free. But sure, let’s paint a pretty pretty picture of them because they turned us loose eventually! GO THEM! :D
How dare you speak about 9/11 so carelessly. How. Dare. You. To assume that the only reason we grieve over 9/11 because of white people is so incorrect. Honestly, you give white people to much freakin credit. All Americans were affected by 9/11. Those jihadists didn’t care if who they struck was innocent, white, brown, blue, or unicorn.
When America sees fit to tell us to get over slavery, to get over the genocide of Native Americans, to get over the fact that they are still right now this very day trying to erase us, aour history, and our cultures…. when America sees fit to tell PoC everywhere to get over what white people put us through, but says “never forget” the one time that the majority death count was white? I’mma react however the fuck I want. I never said it was all white people who died. But you’d never know it from the way the media portrays it, would you? In fact, you wouldn’t even know that the pilot of the flight 93 which went down in PA was a man of color, would you? NOPE. Because they excluded his picture while including everyone elses. And then, in the commemorative film, they whitewashed him. Let me show you how America paints 9/11: Perpetrators- MOOZLIMZ; Victims: White people. Maybe a few PoC. Maybe.
They struck down two of the tallest buildings on the planet and killed 3000 people.That’s right. Only 3,000. And in response, ~*~*AMERICA*~*~ murdered over 30,000 innocent brown bodies overseas. And guess what? That body count is still rising, 11 years later. Oops.
Don’t get me wrong. I think 9/11 was a tragedy. I don’t mock those who died that day. But I do think America’s policy on what’s worthy of forgetting versus what’s worthy of remembrance is a little suspect. Don’t you?
And above all, America is what you define it to be. So if you’re going to just dwell on the FoxNews side of things, why don’t you take a moment and look at Barack Obama and ask yourself how he came to be.
LOL. I DWELL ON THE FOX NEWS SIDE OF THINGS? When has Fox News ever reported on any of the things that I said? WHERE YOU GETTING YO INFO FROM, GURL?
I am proud to be American. I am proud of my people and do not look at them based on their race, gender, sexuality, religion, class, etc. I judge them based on the content of their character.
You should considering those are huge parts of our identities, make up big parts of who we are, and mold how we navigate through our lives. Looking at the content of character is good, though. But don’t disregard the other things. Those too, are important.
Afrida, I love you and all, but I didn’t expect you to reblog such a biased and incorrect post. You can be proud of Canada without putting down America.
I wasn’t going to comment on this. But. Please tell me what was incorrect or biased about this post? Because last I checked, everything I stated above is shit that, you know, actually happened! Gurl. Please fact check before you bother with trying to debunk things. That works on myths, not facts.
You didn’t want anyone to misinterpret what you had to say, but you sure had no problem twisting my words and accusing me of saying this that I never fucking said. You didn’t want people to misinterpret what you had to say, but you had no problem looking at facts that I laid down and then discounting them as bias/ (Whoo! Whiteness is a hell of a drug!) How sweet of you. I really appreciate you paying me the same courtesy you wish paid to you.
Also, fuck you and your notes. I don’t write anything for the notes! So if you think the note count is what I’m concerned about when I wrote a post like that? Lololol. Then you aren’t even ready for this kind of conversation (as if your argument didn’t prove that). Back to the kiddie table with you.
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